Rampant Hooliganism.
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Topic: Rampant Hooliganism.
Posted By: Romeo
Subject: Rampant Hooliganism.
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 12:32am
Disclaimer: If you enjoy safe driving do not watch the following clips.
Title: Ghost Rider. Terrorizes: Various towns in Poland. Specialty: Ridiculous and over-the-top wheelies. Video discription: The Ghost Rider instigating an officer, followed by him being chased by multiple police vehicles while wheeling around a corner at triple-digit speeds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx1CkPcICaY&feature=player_embedded - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx1CkPcICaY&feature=playe r_embedded
Title: черный дьявол (Black Devil). Terrorizes: Moscow, Russia. Specialty: Somehow not dying. Video discription: Honest to god, just watch the video and really try to count just how many times he almost dies. You'll lose track very, very quickly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE&feature=player_embedded - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE&feature=playe r_embedded
I in no way condone or suggest riding a bike in that way, ever, but my god does it make for some interesting video.
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Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 12:33am
Well, apparently the site doesn't tolerate Russian... GRAEME! 
------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan.
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Posted By: Dawg
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 11:01am
Holy F'ing Jesus! Can you say mega death wish. That last guy has really got some issues I think.
Ok.....I need to relax now.
The Dawg
------------- You dream it up....I'll make it
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Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 1:05pm
Yeah, I'm by no means the safest driver, but I could not believe what I was watching. I was just waiting for the moment where he took on a semi head-first and lost.
------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan.
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Posted By: Capt Fiero
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 1:24pm
I have been following the ghost rider videos for years, they are always a fun watch. There are several other older video's of similar stunts done in cars vs the police in Europe. The cop cars must really be slow over there. I don't think I have ever seen a cop helicopter in any of those videos either. Not that a cop helicopter would be able to do any good against the bike, as the bike could/should be able to do twice over the speed of any regular police helicopter.
------------- Capt Fiero
88 Fiero GT 5spd V6
Eight Fifty Seven GT V8 5spd.
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Posted By: Graeme
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 2:57pm
Romeo wrote:
Well, apparently the site doesn't tolerate Russian... GRAEME!  |
hmm.. good point actually. I'll look into that because I don't consider it good enough either.
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Posted By: Graeme
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 3:07pm
The only thing I picture are these guys one day killing somebody's little girl or boy just riding in the back of the car and he goes through the car as they happen to make a left in front.
Maybe I'm a prude.. but if it was up to me these guys would have been shot by now. Not worth having in society.
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Posted By: Dawg
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 4:02pm
I can't say I disagree Graeme. But there are so many so much worse in other ways that this guy isn't worth police resources. His days are numbered if he keeps that up anyway.
And Dave....no motorcycle within city limits can out run a helicopter. They cruise at over 120 MPH no problem. Top speeds of just over 200. Combine that with their altitude advantage and it's game over I think.
The Dawg
------------- You dream it up....I'll make it
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Posted By: Capt Fiero
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 5:53pm
Not quite Dawg, I don't know what the police over there use, however the VPD uses a Eurocopter 120, its one of the most common Police helicopters. It has an econo crusing speed of 191kph, (roughly 120mph, with a max sustained of 226kph, and a "HOLY CRAP FALLING OUT OF THE SKY AND BLOW UP, speed of 278) and that is straight line long run up to get to that speed. That motorcycle can run dead stop to 200kph in 10 seconds flat, as well as change direction, stop and take back off much quicker than the helicopter can. Given a top speed run, that bike should close on 190mph 300kph.
This Ghost rider series of video's has been going on for nearly 10 years, and never been caught or killed in action. Hence why he has gotten rather brazen in his antics.
I kinda admire the guy for his obvious skill as a rider, and although I am in no means a motorcycle guy I do have to appreciate just how amazingly fast they can be setup to go.
Oh here is the stats on the Eurocopter.
Technical data for EC-120
Main rotor diameter: 10.00m, fenestron diameter: 0.75m, overall length, rotors turning: 11.52m, fuselage length: 9.60m, height overall: 3.40m, height to top of rotor head: 3.08m, empty weight, standard: 960kg, empty weight, typical passenger fit: 1007kg, max T-O weight, internal load: 1715kg, max T-O weight, external load load: 1800kg, max sling load: 700kg, never exceed speed: 278km/h, max cruising speed with 1715 T-O weight: 226km/h, econ cruising speed: 191km/h, max rate of climb at sea level: 366m/min, service ceiling: 5180m, hovering ceiling, IGE: 2820m, hovering ceiling, OGE: 2320m, range, no reserves: 727km, endurance, no reserves: 4h 32min
------------- Capt Fiero
88 Fiero GT 5spd V6
Eight Fifty Seven GT V8 5spd.
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Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 6:45pm
Graeme wrote:
The only thing I picture are these guys one day killing somebody's little girl or boy just riding in the back of the car and he goes through the car as they happen to make a left in front.
Maybe I'm a prude.. but if it was up to me these guys would have been shot by now. Not worth having in society.
| Bah, if it makes you feel any better, the Black Devil is dead, and Ghost Rider has seemingly disappeared over the years.
Gotta say though, I disagree. I've been looking at all the whole "speed kills" argument. In city streets, sure, I totally agree. On the highways though, there wasn't any distinguishable difference between Montana's crash figures before and after they implemented speed limits. This is because people typically fall into one of two catagories:
- People that will go as fast as they're comfortable doing. Or...
- Those who go faster than they can handle, who are unlikely to follow the limit anyways.
Sure, the second guy was getting waaaay too close to other drivers, and that was unsafe, but the first isn't endangering people on the road any more than the boys in blue chasing him. Less so, I'd even say. lol
------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan.
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Posted By: Graeme
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 8:34pm
Interesting way to think. Let me ask you a question though, do the stats say that the risk is the same, lower or higher if you are speeding? Also, do the stats say that the level of damage is the same, lower or higher if you are speeding? Innocent deaths involved in speeding? or is it the same whether you are going 60 or 160?
A couple of months ago (I think), there were 4 guys in a car on the highway that veered off and smashed into the back of a trailer in the construction zone. The probably would have survived a bit better had they been going slower. Unfortunately the driver killed 2 innocents. Had that trailer been a car that had been pulled over with engine trouble with a couple of kids in it...
Excessive and "controlled" speeding is just plain stupid. You can NEVER predict what is going to happen, you can only wish.
Just my random thoughts. I just don't consider it worth it. Some do, I just hope they stay the hell away from me and anybody I care about at the very least.
>Bah, if it makes you feel any better, the Black Devil is dead, and Ghost Rider has seemingly disappeared over the years.
Good.
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Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 10:33pm
Fatalities as a result of crashes, and quantity of crashes themselves, remained the same. Give me a second, I'll go pull the source for you.
As for excessive and controlled, no, they are not stupid. If I'm doing 30KM/H over, that's still speeding, but that's controlled. If I'm doing 60KM/H with no one else, that's still controlled. If I'm doing 60KM/H in traffic, yes I'm an idiot, but then again, I'm probably not going to give a second thought to some "speed limit" anyways.
------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan.
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Posted By: Dawg
Date Posted: 18 January 2011 at 12:56am
Well Dave I don't know if I agree regarding a bike getting away from a helicopter within city limits.
Think about a pilot at 1500 ft cruising at 150 MPH. He can see for miles in every direction. He doesn't need to zig and zag through traffic. Huge advantage over the biker who has to navigate through various situations to get to where he's going.
It's just a matter of time before the bike runs into traffic than forces him to slow down for a while. The pilot can go full tilt the whole time if need be and do the bee line straight to the bikes destination cutting him off at the pass so to speak.
I read in some forum a while back about these police pilots laughing there guts out every time someone tried to out run them. Apparently, not possible.
Now, outlasting them is another story. The chopper will run out of fuel long before the bike will. But normally by that time it's all over anyway.
The Dawg
------------- You dream it up....I'll make it
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Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 18 January 2011 at 2:20am
Hehe, go watch the street racer in Stockholm (Drives a Gen III Impreza STi) against the police chopper. You'll eat those words.
Street Racer + Helicopter + Tunnel + Balls = Street Racer - Helicopter.
------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan.
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Posted By: Romeo
Date Posted: 18 January 2011 at 1:12pm
Took me a while to find. Here you are. Clearly when you speed, you're going to have more and more crashes, as most people would be quick to point out out. http://www.motorists.org/speed-limits/safety-setting-limits - No, no (Please scroll down to free-flowing speed and 85MPH and results) you don't. In fact, while that doesn't say "200MP/H MAKES US ALL SAFER", the Transportation Research Board meeting never actually found any strikes against Montana when they swapped from 75MP/H to Unlimited top speed back in 1980 all the way up to 2000 when that meeting was held. They did find http://blog.motorists.org/national-speed-limit-effect-on-traffic-safety-fuel-prices/ - one thing against driving quickly on the highway... I'm sure glad we pay someone to discover driving with your foot to the floor consumes more fuel.
You see, Graeme, most (Not all, I'll admit) humans have an active section of their brain (Parietal Lobe) located towards the rear, close to the stem. That part of the brain doesn't want us to do 200KM/H when it's snowing out, because it knows it needs the host body to survive to keep the brain alive. That's why most humans, even those who like to go fast, will slow down in traffic, when passing, when weather sucks or when the car just isn't taking it; We want to survive. Those of us who lack that self-preservation are probably not going to heed the threat of a small monetary fine, given that they're endangering their lives already.
------------- Never shift into reverse without a back-up plan.
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Posted By: Graeme
Date Posted: 18 January 2011 at 3:43pm
Romeo wrote:
Those of us who lack that self-preservation are probably not going to heed the threat of a small monetary fine, given that they're endangering their lives already. |
Or consideration for other lives. But let's just put this one to rest and agree to disagree. 
I do have to say though that a study put out by an "organization" that promotes fighting speeding tickets, the increase in speed limits and other speed related issue (to make them a non issue) is certainly not going to put out an unbiased "study" on what is safe or not. I thought you were going to show me something from stats Canada or something, not some private enterprise with their own agenda's website.
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Posted By: Capt Fiero
Date Posted: 18 January 2011 at 4:01pm
I agree, and closed it will be.
------------- Capt Fiero
88 Fiero GT 5spd V6
Eight Fifty Seven GT V8 5spd.
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